Attachments to Weekly News

Attachment to Weekly News of 26 July 2020

 

Happy Birthday to Joe, Rob, Tony, Stewie, Huck, John, John, Alan and Bungy.  Hope you blokes have a special time celebrating your special day with your family and friends.

 

Joe

Rados

 

Rob

Cavanagh

CAV-17@bigpond.com

Tony

Zajer

tngzajer@bigpond.com

Stewart

Dewar

doonix93@gmail.com

Dennis

Elliot

dennis_elliott@bigpond.com

John

Ryder

 

John

Kean

 

Alan

McManus

 

Roger

Williams

rognell12@gmail.com

 

Tasmania 2021

Please email me to let us know:

  1. if you are a potential starter or
  2. will not attend

There are 59 Potential starters to date.  

Gordon and Nita Stringer, Mike and Jill Hogan, Schubes and Marian Schubert, Bryan and Kay Stapley, Mike and Jean Shephard, Max and Ann Lampo, Kim Dawe, Mick Gallagher, Rocky and Linda Freir, John and Lyn Hatchman, Stan and Margaret Church, Tom and Val Houldsworth, Darby Ashton, Bob and Pat Stupple, Spook Cairns, Rod and Karin Hazell, Rick and Lea Avery, Bongo and Jo Di Betta, Dave and Louie Borgo, Mal and Rob Chatfield, Ron and Bev Giveen, Fred Howes, Surfie Richards, Dave Scarce, Ian and Val Smith, Roger and Dee Collins, Butts and Margaret Butterfield, Jock McGregor and his wife, Jim Harris, Terry and Helen Dack, Narra and Tracy Narramore, Russ and Joy Dale, James Carroll, Ted and Fiona Hase.   Wally and Robyn Gawne who are currently in Townsville and Bristles and Lou Lassau attendance is conditional on circumstances.

Nick and Lynda Bryant, Barry and Margaret Parker, John and Luba Miscamble, George and Carol Pike, Jeff and Jenny Wake, Garry and Helen McGrath, Stewie Dewar, Gil Larsson, Rob Cavanagh, Jim Bush and Mal Ritchie have indicated they are non starters.  Thanks Blokes.

 

Terry Dack

While booking my ferry to Tassie I noticed they had a group booking so I gave them a ring and this is the reply I got.Boiled down it means the group would have to travel as a group no independent travel

It looks like a lot of work for someone (not me) for little saving I’ll stick with my booking.

Any case forward for info

Go Freo for 2023
Seeya 

Terry

 

Ross Gowers

I have to admit I was rather ‘pissed-off’ with myself for not being able to attend your Coffee In Caloundra morning.

I was so looking forward to catching up with yourself and the rest of the bunch, in my neck of the woods.

Sadly, when a long-time close friend calls and needs help, one just has to dump everything and go do. Guaranteed, should such a gathering of long lost mates appear on the horizon in the future, I will place myself first and foremost.

Take care Ron.

Ross Gowers.

HISTORICAL AIRCRAFT RESTORATION SOCIETY

Hi All,

More History saved by HARS. The blue C47 was previously operated by the RAAF and flew the Queen to Perth in 1954  . The Cabin still has HER call buttons labelled ( STEWARD  and  CREW )

 

Bob De La Hunty  OAM

HARS President and Chief Pilot

Historical Aircraft Restoration Society Inc

Historical Aircraft Projects Pty Ltd

 

T: 0433 941 306

E: delahunty@bigpond.com

54 Airport Road | Albion Park Rail NSW 2527 | AUSTRALIA

 

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Russ Loane has forwarded this petition – you may be interested in signing it

 

  https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/work-of-assembly/petitions/petition-details?id=3355    

All ,  the above link is to petition the state government to let the Qld. Air Museum @ Caloundra have the state controlled land adjacent so the QAM can expand. Please consider.

 

cheers

 

Russ Loane

 

From John’s Hopkins Hospital

Hope this info sheds more light on this serious health issue………Good information.

“Stay Well and Be Safe”

  This virus is not a living organism .   It is a protein molecule (RNA or DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular (eyes), nasal (nose) or buccal mucosa (mouth), changes their genetic code (mutates) and converts into aggressor and multiplier cells.

  * Since the virus is not a living organism, but is a protein molecule, it cannot be killed.  It has to decay on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

  * The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat and that is the reason why soap or detergent is the best weapon.  The foam CUTS THE FAT (that is why you have to scrub for 20 seconds or more, to create lots of foam).

By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down.

  * HEAT melts fat; this is why it is necessary to use water above 77 degrees for hand washing, laundry and cleaning surfaces. In addition, hot water makes more foam, making it more effective.

  * Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ALL FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

  * Any solution with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaking it down from the inside.

  * Oxygenated water increases the effectiveness of soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein.  However, because you have to use it in its pure form, it can damage your skin.

  * NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC WILL WORK because the virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.

  * The virus molecules remain very stable at colder temperatures, including air conditioning in houses and cars.  They also need moisture and darkness to stay stable. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade the virus faster.

  * UV LIGHT on any object that may contain the virus breaks down the protein.  Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

  * The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

  * Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

  * NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is only 40% alcohol, and you need a minimum of 65%.

  * LISTERINE  is 65% alcohol.

  * The more confined the space, the higher the concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

  * You have to wash your hands before and after touching any commonly used surfaces such as : mucosa (mouth area) , food, locks, knobs, switches, remotes, cell phones, watches, computers, desks etc. and don’t forget when you use the bathroom.

  * You have to MOISTURIZE YOUR HANDS due to frequent washing.  Dry hands have cracks and the molecules can hide in the micro cracks The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

  * Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

PLEASE SHARE WITH YOUR FRIENDS

 

Royal Commision into the Bushfires

 

Ward Hack forwarded this.  Attached is a submission to the Royal Commission into our recent fires by a farmer who lives in the lee of the Great Dividing Range just south of Batemans Bay. It is heart felt and graphic. I also agree with most of his sentiments regarding cause and prevention.

Attachment to Weekly News of 19 July 2020

Happy Birthday to Ken, Steve, Max, Boong, Ross and Nev.  Hope all you blokes have a marvellous day celebrating with your family and friends.  We nearly caught up with Ross on Thursday in Caloundra.

Ken

Railton

kenrailton@gmail.com

Steve

Hinch

stevehinch28@gmail.com

Max

Borthwick

 

Boong

Franklin

philfrank46@gmail.com

Ross

Gowers

sailorvampire@msn.com

Nev

Jorgensen

 

 

Tasmania 2021

Please email me to let us know:

  1. if you are a potential starter or
  2. will not attend

There are 57 Potential starters to date.  

Mike and Jill Hogan, Schubes and Marian Schubert, Bryan and Kay Stapley, Mike and Jean Shephard, Max and Ann Lampo, Kim Dawe, Mick Gallagher, Rocky and Linda Freir, John and Lyn Hatchman, Stan and Margaret Church, Tom and Val Houldsworth, Darby Ashton, Bob and Pat Stupple, Spook Cairns, Rod and Karin Hazell, Rick and Lea Avery, Bongo and Jo Di Betta, Dave and Louie Borgo, Mal and Rob Chatfield, Ron and Bev Giveen, Fred Howes, Surfie Richards, Dave Scarce, Ian and Val Smith, Roger and Dee Collins, Butts and Margaret Butterfield, Jock McGregor and his wife, Jim Harris, Terry and Helen Dack, Narra and Tracy Narramore, Russ and Joy Dale, James Carroll, Ted and Fiona Hase. 

Wally and Robyn Gawne who are currently in Townsville and Bristles and Lou Lassau attendance is conditional on circumstances.

 

Barry and Margaret Parker, John and Luba Miscamble, George and Carol Pike, Jeff and Jenny Wake, Garry and Helen McGrath, Stewie Dewar, Gil Larsson, Rob Cavanagh, Jim Bush and Mal Ritchie have indicated they are non starters.  Thanks Blokes.

 

VALE Dave Luck – An email trail you may find amusing, I certainly did

Submariners!

In the 60’s, when I was posted to Kuttabul but living in Penguin, I was the PO’s Mess bar manager. We often got visits from the crews of Trump and Tabard, and maybe Telemachus (I’m not sure………..they were hazy days…..). All was OK in the bar until the Pommy submariners had consumed a few tots of OP rum, then things started to go rapidly downhill. Quite a bit of furniture was “accidentally” damaged by touch-and-go demonstrations, while we had to lock the back bar window to stop the intrepid underwater heroes from diving out into a ten foot drop below. I don’t really know how any of us weren’t hauled before the CO to explain the “camaraderie”. Suffice to say that when the subs were in, our bar sales rocketed. Great memories!

Cheers Bob,

Pom

A story that you might like Pom!!!

Hi Bob

Very sad news about Dave.  I had quite a bit to do with him both in and out of the Squadron.

My fondest memory was when I was on my Chief SAP course down in Cerberus.  Being the only submariner on the course, the WO Mess President was not so complimentary towards me (not without cause) and it got even worse when George Greaves (another Mobi submariner – my July 61 intake) arrived for another course – and then it was double trouble.

The WO Mess President was almost at his wit’s end when Dave arrived for his WO’s course.

The Mess President asked Dave to keep these ‘two submariner animals’ in check,  Without batting an eyelid, Dave told him that he knew us from way back and there was nothing wrong with George and Sandy, and opening his carry bag, withdrew two bottles of Old Kedge Blue (rum) and yelled out ‘Party time’.  The absolute killer was when Dave refused normal bedding and withdrew a submarine issue blue sleeping bag.

That night we three partook of a few (quite a few) drams of the Kedge and decided that we should share our good fortune with the fish in the mess’s huge fish tank.  Alas, the fish could not handle their rum and next morning were all belly up.

After draining and cleaning the tank and restocking it with new fish, we three decided to do the Mobi thing and raid the fridge that night.  We polished of the heap of weiner schnitzel left over from lunch – and decided to share with the fish again.  They couldn’t handle weiner schnitzel either.  

The President was very relieved to see us all depart.

Rupert Ruse (also first Mobi intake) also made a visit – but that’s another story.

Smooth seas Dave.  Rest in Peace.

Sandy R42489

Dave Luck, an initial MOBI (July 1956) entry crossed the bar last night.  Dave completed 20 years in the Navy and paid-off as a Submariner, Warrant Officer, Systems Artificer Weapons.  As a member of the 50 initial MOBIs to join HMAS NIRIMBA Dave was popular and well thought of, and the thoughts of many will be with Dave’s family and friends tonight.

 

ARCTIC COMMANDOS – The Royal Marines

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-YP3LWs1Cc

 

 

 U.S. Will Oppose Chinese ‘Gangster Tactics’ in South China Sea – USNI News

 

https://news.usni.org/2020/07/14/state-dept-official-u-s-will-oppose-chinese-gangster-tactics-in-south-china-sea-u-s-warship-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation

 

USS BONHOMME RICHARD

Thoughts on the impact of the USS Bonhomme Richard fire.

Posted: 13 Jul 2020 02:57 PM PDT

 

The US Navy ‘WASP’ class assault ship USS Bonhomme Richard (BHR) has been subject to an enormous fire that has, at time of writing lasted over 24hrs. The blaze has gutted the ship, causing significant damage, and is likely to have probably caused sufficient damage to warrant the writing off of the entire vessel.

 

The impact of this fire will be felt for years to come. By the authors reckoning, this is the largest single ship loss by the US Navy in peacetime, and second only to the loss of the USS Lexington in WW2. The US Navy is rightly fiercely proud of its reputation of both saving ships and returning them to service – look at both the veterans of Pearl Harbour, and more recently ships like the USS Cole. The US Navy does not give up the fight.

 

While the US Navy is hopeful of trying to save the vessel, the reality is that 24hrs of uncontrolled fire throughout the platform at temperatures approaching 1000 degrees will be placing the entire ship under enormous pressure. 

 

 

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Masts have collapsed, indicating that steel is melting, and the internal structures of the ship are likely to be unstable as a result. The exposure of water internally too is likely to have caused huge internal longer term damage, and all the combustible materials including electrical items, wiring and even office supplies are likely to have been destroyed.

 

In very practical terms it is hard to see how the ship can be safely recommissioned without many years of extensive refit work, probably involving gutting and rebuilding the majority of the vessel internally and externally and rewiring from scratch. In practical terms, the cost of repairing this multi-billion dollar vessel is likely to be far beyond the point where it is sensible to do so – particularly not for a 22 year old ship. 

 

The fire serves as a timely reminder of several key issues around operating warships at sea. Firstly, bizzarely it is good to recall that paradoxically this fire has shown just how hard it is to actually let a fire ‘mission kill’ a major capital ship.

 

Fire at sea is a danger well known to all mariners – the risks on a warship, full of fuel, explosives and all manner of highly combustible material means that fires must be dealt with quickly and effectively, lest they potentially get out of hand. 

 

Not only can fire damage itself threaten a ship, but too much fire fighting response can lead to internal challenges as water begins to build up inside the vessel, needing to be drained quickly before it poses stability challenges. 

 

Yet for all this, modern warships are inherently survivable if built to the right standard and the right investment in protection. Had the BHR been in full commission with crew embarked and the ship ready to respond with a worked up damage control party, a ships company fully trained in fire fighting and quick response, and the ability to close the ship up to fight the fire properly then things may have been very different.

 

Modern warships can be sealed up tight using a wide variety of watertight compartments, intended to make it difficult for fire or flooding to spread, and making it easier to fight fires locally. With modern fire fighting systems in use, and the ability to close large parts of the ship down, had the ship been operational then the chances are that while damage would have  been done, the fire would quickly have been contained.

 

The fact is though that the ship was in fact in dockyard hands, coming to the end of a refit in which she was being converted to operate the F35B Joint Strike Fighter for the US Marine Corps. This meant that on a quiet Sunday morning in San Diego, there were barely 160 people onboard – both US Navy and contractors.

 

The ship in dockyard hands will not have been able to close up effectively – not enough people available to do so and it is likely that many parts of the ships may not be able to assume full integrity – potentially doors out of action, or missing compartment hatches linked to the refit. Add to this wires around the place trailing all over, or some of the other systems being out of commission and you quickly realise it would have been very difficult to do much once the fire spread beyond step back to safety.

 

This was a grim situation, but it demonstrates that actually a worked up modern warship is remarkably hard to kill. Had she been in different circumstances, then this fire would have been quickly contained and dealt with – it took literally the ‘worst case scenario’ to combine lack of resources, too few people and too big a fire to get to the stage where control was lost. 

 

While there will inevitably be a search for people to blame, and scapegoats to find, it is worth reflecting on what could realistically have been done given the circumstances that the ship was in, and the likely internal situation onboard at the time. 

 

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The next thought is that this incident demonstrates why it is worth spending more on ships ‘below the skin’. The constant demands in some parts of the internet for either more heavily armed ships, or for ships that are constantly cheaper ignores that ship design and procurement is a game of trade-offs. 

While it may sound appealing to buy a ship that is a fraction of the price of an expensive Royal Navy escort, and while many navies have done just that, you have to ask what compromises they made to the design to make this possible? 

 

The chances are that sacrifices around survivability, design standards and ensuring that the ship can both take damage and fight its way out of it were probably chosen as a compromise to ensure more guns, missiles, bombs could be carried.  While modern ships are expensive, and while it is easy to carp about the cost and say ‘but the X navy got four of the same design for the price of one of ours’ it is worth asking whether these ships could survive a fire like this?

 

The reality is that the answer is probably not – its easier to save on systems that the owners think won’t be used than it is to invest in the underpinning support and damage control that may make the difference between life and death.

 

Go on any Royal Navy warship and you are quickly struck by the fanaticism around both fire fighting and preventing flooding. The RN learnt the hard way in 1982 that these incidents kill people, and has over the years invested heavily in ensuring its designs can take the sort of punishment that is afflicting the BHR right now. 

 

There is no compromise given in pursuit of excellence when it comes to getting these drills right, and it is vital that they are taken seriously. There is a good reason why everyone in the Royal Navy who goes to sea spends time on how to put out fires and keep the ship afloat – because you never know when they may need to use those skills for real.

 

One of the most powerful images of this debate was the image sent today of a group of US Navy sailors suited up from a neighbouring warship marching up to the BHR and preparing to board her to fight the fire. 

 

To willingly march towards one of the largest warships in the world, knowing it is in the middle of an uncontrollable fire, that the situation is challenging and that there are two million gallons of petroleum onboard that could, in the worst case, explode and kill you, takes a special breed of courage. This bravery is in the finest tradition of the US Navy, and speaks volumes about their people and willingness to do their duty.  

 

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Much will be written about the wider impact on the loss of an F35 capable LHD from the Pacific Fleet at a time when there appears to be a new Cold War with a peer military rival underway. 

The loss will be keenly felt by the USMC, particularly as they pivot towards an island hopping strategy and were going to rely on ships like BHR to carry their aircraft, people and equipment into harms way. Coming on the day that the US Government confirmed it would not recognise the ‘9 dash line’ it seems likely that with tensions likely to rise further between the US and China, further F35 capable platforms will be needed as soon as possible.

 

There has been some suggestion that a replacement could be drawn from the two Tarawa class hulls currently in the reserve fleet. These ships were never intended for F35 operations though and are also over 40 years old and have been in reserve for nearly a decade.

 

The likely refit costs would be astronomically expensive, and may be a price too high to get the F35B to sea, even as a stand in basis. Historically reactivations of ships is far more expensive than people expect, and requires people with knowledge of the platform to crew and get to sea again. The eventual work may be almost as great as that required to repair and recommission BHR.

 

In this case the US Navy will need to decide if the cost of pulling two 40 year old LHDs from reserve is worth it, or if another alternative needs to be found. Realistically only two other ways of filling the gap exist – either to accelerate production of the America class LHDs, of which there are one in service, one on trials and one under construction.

 

Alternatively, the request may come to the UK to see what can be done about making use of the RN and its carrier force to support USMC F35 operations in a significant manner. The QUEEN ELIZABETH class has been designed from the outset to embark and support USMC F35 squadrons, and this is an integral part of the operating plan for them.

 

With the National Audit Office confirming that the Carrier Strike capability faces real challenges to meeting full operating capability due to reduced F35 orders, delays to FSS (which may even be scrapped according to the Daily Telegraph) and wider problems in getting the Carrier Strike concept off the ground, this may be an opportunity in disguise for the RN and/or the USMC.

 

It is possible that the RN may be informally asked if it could support the gap in the Asia Pacific region, or backfill elsewhere to free up another LHD to redeploy. In turn the USMC could deploy in greater numbers, and do so from a platform intended for their needs. 

 

The US Navy could even offer to provide a couple of solid support ships too, in order to help meet the issue of the RFA gap, and help keep the capability going. This may help secure the future for Carrier Strike through the defence review when things are looking pretty financially tough for the Royal Navy.

 

Of course, the ultimate option may be for the USN to ask to lease the carrier from the UK after all. Although this story emerged and was widely discredited months ago, in these strange and turbulent times, perhaps now it could be seen as an entirely sensible option for the UK to provide a ship to cover the gap to the US Navy , while freeing up resources, personnel and equipment to focus on keeping just one carrier in service for a few years, pending the others return in due course.

 

Indeed the Royal Navy appears to have considered what it can do for supporting the US Navy, given that according to the Times, the UK is actively considering basing an aircraft carrier in the Far East to support efforts to counter China.

 

This would be a nice returning of the offer of a US Navy supercarrier to help the UK out in 1982 and perhaps shows that these two allies do have a genuinely special relationship. Right now, given the way that 2020 is going,  nothing can be ruled out anymore. 

Attachment to Weekly News of 12 July 2020

 

Happy Birthday to Butts, Sarge, Trevor and Tug.  Hope you blokes enjoy your special day celebrating with your family and mates.

 

Wayne

Butterfield

wbutterfield46@gmail.com

Chris

Sargent

cjs924@hotmail.com

Trevor

Elias

trevor.elias@optusnet.com.au

Jim

Wilson

vickihw24@gmail.com

 

Tasmania 2021

 

Please email me to let us know:

  1. if you are a potential starter or
  2. will not attend

 

There are 44 Potential starters vide email to date.  

 

Rocky and Linda Freir, John and Lyn Hatchman, Stan and Margaret Church, Tom and Val Houldsworth, Darby Ashton, Bob and Pat Stupple, Spook Cairns, Rod Hazell, Rick and Lea Avery, Bongo and Jo Di Betta, Dave and Louie Borgo, Mal and Rob Chatfield, Ron and Bev Giveen, Fred Howes, Surfie Richards, Dave Scarce, Ian and Val Smith, Roger and Dee Collins, Butts and Margaret Butterfield, Jock McGregor and his wife, Jim Harris, Terry and Helen Dack, Narra and Tracy Narramore, Russ and Joy Dale, James Carroll, Ted and Fiona Hase. 

Wally and Robyn Gawne who are currently in Townsville and Bristles and Lou Lassau attendance is conditional on circumstances.

 

Gil Larsson, Rob Cavanagh, Jim Bush and Mal Ritchie have indicated they are non starters.  Thanks Blokes.

 

Attachment to Weekly News of 5 July 2020

 

Happy Birthday to Kev (Smouch), Bob and Everhardus.  Hope you all have a fabulous special day spending time and enjoying the day with your family and friends.

 

Kev

Smith

kevsem@bigpond.net.au

Neil

Gibbons

 

Bob

Scharper

robert.scharper@bigpond.com

Everhardus

Overmars

 

 

David Lowe

 

Sorry Ron to be late in acknowledgement of your special day.  I trust it was as enjoyable as it possibly could have been under the circumstances.

Thank you for the comment of the oldest in the Birthday list.

To bring you up to date, both Linda and myself are doing well. Linda’s cancer was bought under control last year and still holding, and then the virus came along (we self isolated in January), that being a miserable time.  At the end of lock down we started moving about with care only to have the new outbreak in Melb. 2 weeks later.  As we live in Casey we were waiting to be locked down again, not an encouraging outlook, but eventually the Govt. identified just one suburb, Hallam, 20 k away from us.  If they lock down it will only be the suburb involved.  Unfortunately we are all going to pay for the arrogance of a few young people and ethnics in the northern suburbs.

Life is not going to be the same in our final years.

Take care out there and stay safe.

David.

 

 

John Miscamble

 

The LCDR Brown as featured in the last news was my old boss when I was Sydney Shore Patrol in 1970. He wasn’t a bad bloke but he was (un)affectionally known to us at “Fat Freddy”.

 

Sorry he has passed on, but he was a good age. I bet everyone up in the good ship heaven has now short back and sides haircut.

 

Regards

 

John Miscamble

Stan Church

Had a good yarn with Dolly, he can still tell a good story

Got a new caravan in January this year and haven’t used it yet, going down to Mackay on

Monday to get first service then take a  week to get back to Townsville. We will use it a

 bit in the next few months, If all goes will with Victoria we will try and go over to Tassie

about early November and stay about 6 months   (9th time to Tassie, got no relations down there now)

The reunion sounds good        CHURCH X 2   Stan & Margaret

 

Cheers

Stan

Tasmania 2021

 

Please email me to let us know:

  1. if you are a potential starter or
  2. will not attend

 

There are 42 Potential starters vide email to date.  

 

John and Lyn Hatchman, Stan and Margaret Church, Tom and Val Houldsworth, Darby Ashton, Bob and Pat Stupple, Spook Cairns, Rod Hazell, Rick and Lea Avery, Bongo and Jo Di Betta, Dave and Louie Borgo, Mal and Rob Chatfield, Ron and Bev Giveen, Fred Howes, Surfie Richards, Dave Scarce, Ian and Val Smith, Roger and Dee Collins, Butts and Margaret Butterfield, Jock McGregor and his wife, Jim Harris, Terry and Helen Dack, Narra and Tracy Narramore, Russ and Joy Dale, James Carroll, Ted and Fiona Hase. 

Wally and Robyn Gawne who are currently in Townsville and Bristles and Lou Lassau attendance is conditional on circumstances.

Rob Cavanagh, Jim Bush and Mal Ritchie have indicated they are non starters.  Thanks Blokes.

DFRDB Update

 

Attached is our June 2020 Update.  It may also be viewed by clicking here.

Kind regards,

Herb

If unable to see the attachment Click Here

 

Deadliest Military ships in the world. (Worth a look Australia gets a favourable mention)

 

https://youtu.be/mi6GOLFEoBs

 

 

Call the Hands

 

 

Attachment to Weekly News of 28 June 2020

 

Happy Birthday to Billy, Russ, Allen, Pie and Dave.  The 6th youngest and oldest and Allen in the middle.  Hope you all have a fabulous time celebrating your special day with your COVID 19 free family and friends.  Looking forward to cathing up soon.

 

William  (Billy)

Bacon

bill_bacon_4@hotmail.com

Russ

Loane

russl47@bigpond.com

Allen

Kirkman

 

Pie

Pieda

helmutpieda@tpg.com.au

Dave

Lowe

dlow5@bigpond.net.au

 

Navy Media

 

If you wish to keep abreast of Navy, this is the website:

https://www.navy.gov.au/media-room

 

Bongo Dibetta,

 

Hi Ron,

I was not impressed with your Jacqui story I personally believe that the only winners in a Royal Commission are the Lawyers the PM is a member of Cronulla RSL and he asked me to investigate what Veterans and servings members think of a Royal Commission I submitted a paper, after discussion with 23 RSL’s NSW and QLD serving Navy Ships at GI and Army at Holsworthy and Victoria Barracks the opinion was the same as mine they are lots of recommendations to put in the paper, then the PM invited me to present the paper to the commissioner and his Cabinet.

Yours Aye

Bongo 

 

LCDR Ken Brown RAN. (A must read)

 

Navy Victoria Network’s Navy hero for June is our Life Member Ken Brown, who unfortunately passed away on 26 May 2020.

You can read Ken’s story at:   https://navyvic.net/heroes/brown.html

 

 

Tasmania 2021

 

Please email me to let us know:

  1. if you are a potential starter or
  2. will not attend

 

There are 38 Potential starters vide email to date.  

 

Tom and Val Houldsworth, Darby Ashton, Bob and Pat Stupple, Spook Cairns, Rod Hazell, Rick and Lea Avery, Bongo and Jo Di Betta, Dave and Louie Borgo, Mal and Rob Chatfield, Ron and Bev Giveen, Fred Howes, Surfie Richards, Dave Scarce, Ian and Val Smith, Roger and Dee Collins, Butts and Margaret Butterfield, Jock McGregor and his wife, Jim Harris, Terry and Helen Dack, Narra and Tracy Narramore, Russ and Joy Dale, James Carroll, Ted and Fiona Hase.  Jim Bush and Mal Ritchie have indicated they are non starters.  Thanks Blokes.

 

From Mal Chatfield

 

Hi Ron,
I have been looking around the Internet for possible venues for the Saturday night and came across this one.
It looks nice maybe one of our locals could check it out.
www.waterfrontdevenport.com
Cheers
Mal


Mal & Rob Chatfield
0488079281

 

 From Terry Dack

 

GDay Ron

Bloody cold down here in paradise but good for the oranges.

       Have been a bit naughty getting info on Tassie visit have got one reply awaiting another trying to get them for you by 3rd July 

The info attached is from the River Arm Hotel Ulverstone.

I rang the Davenport RSL and got the cleaner he assures me the club is clean have to ring back and speak to the function manager it appears the Friday night would clash with the club raffles according to the cleaner. Will forward info as I get it.

Travelling on the spirit of tassie with a motor home towing a little Car was going to cost over  two and half thousand that includes cabin return unhook car and take by itself with partner driving dropped return fare $1085.Tricky buggers

Seeya

Terry

 

Gday Ron
I’ve been hard at work  Devenport RSL will have info in about three to four weeks as they have new chef and functions lady needs to discuss menus etc she did say they wouldn’t charge us room higher .Would have to share room sectioned of Friday night club raffles.
 Sunday BBQ at memorial in Ulverstone 
Ulverstone Lions club is interested to provide bbq with staff to cook they are meeting on 6th July and will send me info after the meeting
Hope this helps for the meeting on the third
Seeya
Terry

 

 

ADF bolsters American show of force

The Australian vessels leave Sydney Harbour. Picture: Defence

  • EXCLUSIVE

GEOFF CHAMBERS

FEDERAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

BEN PACKHAM

FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT

Australian troops and warships are being deployed to join major military exercises and maritime surveillance operations in a show of force with Western allies in the Indo-Pacific, as the US expands its presence in the region amid ­increasing tensions with China.

The Australian Defence Force is working with the US and ­regional partners in support of a “free and open Indo-Pacific”, as border stoushes between China and India escalated this week, resulting in deaths on both sides.

The Australian can reveal ­defence chiefs are in the early ­stages of planning joint exercises in the strategic western Pacific outpost of Guam, home to the US Andersen Air Force Base.

HMAS Canberra, Hobart and Stuart departed Fleet Base East in Sydney on Tuesday for training and maritime surveillance operations.

And HMAS Anzac, Ballarat and Arunta departed Fleet Base West on Monday to “participate in various exercises”.

The ships leaves Sydney Harbour.

Attempts by the US to stamp its dominance in the Pacific, headlined by the deployment of three aircraft carrier groups into the region this month and a C-40 transport plane flying over Taiwan last week, have sparked furious responses from Beijing.

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China has also increased military training and exercises in the Indo-Pacific and launched sea trials last month for the People’s Liberation Army’s first locally built aircraft carrier.

Following COVID-19 delays to major military exercises, the US is pushing ahead with plans to hold the world’s largest maritime warfare exercise — the Rim of the Pacific, or RIMPAC — in Hawaii from August 17 and involving anti-submarine warfare and live-fire exercises. Australia, which will join the RIMPAC war games, is awaiting an invitation from India to join the Malabar naval exercises in the Bay of Bengal later this year alongside the US and Japan, further cementing ­security links between the Quad nations.

Expectations of Australia joining the naval exercises for the first time since 2007, the only time the country has taken part, were understood to be high after Scott Morrison and Narendra Modi this month signed a new comprehensive strategic partnership, including closer defence and maritime security ties.

A Defence spokesman on Wednesday night confirmed the Australian navy warships were “currently conducting maritime task group training under strict COVID-19 preventive measures” and would deploy across the ­region, including taking part in RIMPAC.

In April, Australian frigate HMAS Parramatta joined three American warships to uphold freedom of navigation in the South China Sea.

In a statement on the planned aircraft exercises off Guam, the ADF said it was ­conducting “regular military-to-­military ­engagements throughout the Indo-Pacific”. On June 11, the ­Department of Defence published a $3m contract with The Westin Resort Guam between June 10 and August 31 as part of “early planning” in support of aircraft ­exercises.

The US earlier this year overhauled its continuous bomber presence in Guam, as part of a policy to be “operationally unpredictable”. Analysts have said it reflected the vulnerability of the island to Chinese missiles.

International Institute for Strategic Studies senior fellow Euan Graham said the US show of force was likely to be a signal to China not to take advantage of the COVID crisis or the upcoming US election.

“The fact that they have got three carriers out now suggests that they are on a high-alert posture. The last time they did it was in 2017 when the North Koreans were in one of their high-activity spikes,” he said.

“It is prudent move to show they are still out there and would have to be dealt with if the Chinese decide to take it to the next level.

“North Korea is also part of the calculation. They are arcing up at the moment so I think they will be approaching it from that standpoint too. It’s a clear message to say ‘We are out and about, we are watching, and we are prepared’.”

He speculated that the RAAF’s exercise on Guam could involve electronic warfare training for Australia’s EA18G Growlers and potentially the Joint Strike Fighters, or maritime strike exercises in the seas off Guam.

Retired air marshal Geoff Brown, a former air force chief, said China had become more ­assertive “but they still don’t have anywhere near the naval power that the US is capable of projecting”.

“Each one of those carrier ­forces really represents a small air force by itself. So there is an enormous amount of military power in each one of those carrier task groups,” he said. “They’ve got one carrier and one under test at the moment. And they have a very limited capability compared to a US carrier. You’re not comparing apples with apples.”

China has placed its faith in its so-called “carrier killer missiles”, but Air Marshal Brown said China’s hardware and people were largely untested.

He said RAAF personnel conducted regular operations with the US Air Force at Guam to harmonise their systems. “You’d think it would be simple to refuel each other’s airplanes but sometimes the procedures are different. So it’s a sort of harmonisation of procedures at the bases you don’t normally operate out of.”

All three Australian services had good interoperability with US counterparts, but were working to sharpen their multi-domain operations involving air and naval power, Air Marshal Brown said.

“The biggest factor in inter­operability is trust. People-to-­people contacts are just as important as anything else.”

In February, 2000 Australian, US and Japanese military personnel took part in the 17-day Cope North operation involving more than 100 aircraft and led for the first time by the RAAF.

On Monday, Chinese defence spokesman Ren Guoqiang described a US Navy aircraft flying over Taiwan as a violation of the communist nation’s territorial sovereignty.

“(The) Chinese side urged the US side to abide by the one-China policy … and stop all acts that provoke China’s national sovereignty and territorial integrity,” he said.

In response to the US deploying three aircraft carriers to “waters near China”, the state-owned Global Times warned Beijing possessed “aircraft carrier killer weapons like the DF-21D and DF-26 anti-ship ballistic missiles”

 

Australian Owned Products

 

Milk- Norco/ BdFarm Paris Creek/ Riverina
Juice – Pure Harvest
Cereal – Kez’s Kitchen/ Freedom Foods/ W-Bix
Bacon-Ham – D”orsogna/ Tibaldi
Butter- Ballantyne/ BD Farm Paris Creek
Toothpaste – Cedel
Hand Wash- Thank You/ Freshwater
Skin Care -Sukin / QV
Shave Cream – Brutal Truth
Bread – Baker’s Delight/Schwab’s
Flat Bread- Atta foods/B Free/Australia’s Own
Spaghetti- Spc /Bell Farms
Chilli Sauce – Usain’s Insane/Outback Spirit
Ice-cream- Bulla
Eggs- Family Homestead/ Manning Valley.
Flour- Anchor/Lighthouse/Lion/Laucke
Herbs Spices – Anchor/Hoyts
Gravy – Greens/ Massel
Salt – Olssons
Pasta- San Rimo/ Zafarelli
Rice – Sunrise
Olive Oil – Cobram Estate
Cooking Oil – Chang’s/ Golden Fields/ Raw C
Tom Bbq sauce- Dick Smith/ Rosella/ Three Threes.
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Cheese – Bulla /Norco/ BD Farm Paris Creek
Crackers- Greens/ Byron Bay
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Honey – Pure Harvest/ Beechworth/ Bee Vital
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Roasted Nuts– Brookfarm
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Frozen Pies – Mr Mac’s/Vili’s
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Naturale / Quilton.
Female – Tom Organic.
Men -Trip Shave/Moosehead
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Tofu-Soy- Earth’s Choice/ So good
Sports Drinks- Staminade
Canned Tuna- Sirena/ Sole Mare
Canned Soup- Rosella
Canned Fruit- Goulburn Valley/ Admiral/Always fresh
Coffee -Republica/ Nature’s Cuppa/ Urbanbrew(Pods)
Tea -Nature’s Cuppa/ Madura
Daintree Tea
Crisps- Byron Bay Chilli co/ Vega Chips/ JJ/ Cobs
Stock – Australia’s Own
Soy-Asian Sauce – Changs
Salad Dressing- Beerenberg
Cooking Sauce– Naked Kitchen
Pastry- Borg’s
Pasta Sauce– Billabong/San Rimo/ LaGina
Beer – Coopers
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Appliances- Breville/Kambrook
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Sprinkler – Wobble-Tee
Garden Hose- Hoselink
Containers- de’cor Tellfresh
Fire Pits- Whipps Designs

 

Attachment to Weekly News of 21 June 2020

 

 

Happy Birthday to Bill, Chris, Lindsay, John, Spook, Moose and Richard.  Hope you blokes really enjoy yourself on your special day and enjoy your time with your family and friends.

 

 

Bill

Smith

moniqueelliott73@hotmail.com

Chris

Bayly

myalla99@hotmail.com

Lindsay

Stiles

 

John 

Law

johnllaw@hotmail.com

Dave(Spook)

Cairns

catzndogz47@gmail.com

Ron

Mitchell

evrondale@gmail.com

Richard

Leitch

 

 

 

Tasmania 2021

 

Please email me to let us know:

  1. if you are a potential starter or
  2. will not attend

 

There are 31 Potential starters vide email to date.  

 

Rick and Lea Avery, Bongo and Jo Di Betta, Dave and Louie Borgo, Mal and Rob Chatfield, Ron and Bev Giveen, Fred Howes, Surfie Richards, Dave Scarce, Ian and Val Smith, Roger and Dee Collins, Butts and Margaret Butterfield, Jock McGregor and his wife, Jim Harris, Terry and Helen Dack, Narra and Tracy Narramore, Russ and Joy Dale, James Carroll, Ted and Fiona Hase.  Jim Bush has informed me he is a non starter.  Thanks Jim

 

 

 SUICIDE IN THE ADF

 

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Hard to say which quote is my favourite.

The PM’s cut-rate coroner is nothing more than “a poor imitation of a Royal Commission”. It “risks making things worse, not better”. 

The kicker? “The Senate calls on the Morrison Governemnt to establish a Royal Commission into Veterans’ Suicide, with a clear start and end date.”

Everyone in the Senate voted for it, except the Liberals. Labor backed it, the Greens backed it, One Nation backed it and Centre Alliance backed it. Everyone who isn’t in the PM’s pocket backed it.

That’s a big deal, and it shows the Senate’s going to be an absolute gauntlet if the PM ever finally tries to get his dollar store Commissioner through there. 

And that’s a bloody good thing. It’s a victory, it’s a big one, and if the Senate holds its nerve, it means we’re making huge strides with this campaign.

I want to be straight with you – this doesn’t mean we’re going to get a Royal Commission. The fact it passed is the most promising sign we’ve seen so far, but it doesn’t force the Government to call a fair dinkum Royal Commission.

This took a lot of work behind the scenes to get through. I’m just one Senator, and my team is tiny. But we’re bringing the big boys to the table and we’re building a coalition in the Parliament. It’s hard yakka but it’s absolutely important work. And we’re grinding out progress.

Seriously, they’ve all got 50 times the resources that we do, but look at what we’re achieving. We’re winning this!

Our biggest opponent right now is time. I’m hearing the Government wants to try and push through their glorified coroner before the end of the year.

The fact this motion passed yesterday might delay things as they realise they have a bigger fight on their hands than they thought, but they might panic and pull the trigger on it early with a half-baked rush job to just make this whole issue go away.

We’re working on a whole bunch of new things to just pile on the pressure and swing in support behind a full-blown Royal Commission, so I’ll keep you posted on that.

But here’s what I need from you right now. Can you share my campaign page with someone else? 

Make no mistake that this is a numbers game right now. We only won that vote yesterday by 3 votes. And we’re only going to win the public fight if we can get in front of people who don’t know what’s going on, explain it to them, show them what’s at stake and recruit them into this fight. 

This is a numbers game, and we don’t have the numbers right now. What we saw yesterday is proof that, when we get our argument in front of people, we build in numbers and we build in strength. It’s all about getting the evidence out there from now until the end of the year.

Here’s how you can spread the word. 

Finally, and I hate to ask, but can you spare $20 to fund our public outreach? We’re up against an opponent with millions of dollars from a handful of wealthy donors, so it’s David and Goliath.

But we’ve got one crucial thing on our side that they don’t have.

It costs a lot to get someone to think a bad idea is a good one. 

When we can get our argument out there, we win the argument, because the facts are on our side. And we can do more with $20 with than they can do with $200.

We’re just starting from behind.  

We don’t have a lot of time to close the gap.

But they’re slow, and we’re fast. They’ve got the power, but we’ve got the momentum. And that’s because they’re wrong, and we’re right. We just need to show them that.

This is a big win, don’t get me wrong. 

I’m just not one to put my feet up and say ‘job done’. There’s more work to do. Let’s get it done.

Good on ya.

Jacqui Lambie

 

 

 

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hell hole it is !! ]

 

 

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The Nostalgia machine

 

Goes back to 1951.  It is a keeper

http://thenostalgiamachine.com/

 

 

Attachment to Weekly News of 14 June 2020

Happy Birthday to Buck, Mal, Missie Ron, Dave, Gordon and Dolly.  What a group.  Hope you blokes have a marvellous day, celebrating your special day with your family and friends.

TerryRogersbuckandbligh@bigpond.com
MalChatfieldrobandmal129@gmail.com
JohnMiscamblelubaandjohn@outlook.com
RonCarrolroncarrol@optusnet.com.au
DaveRhook 
GordonStringergstringer47@gmail.com
JohnGrayoilkinger@gmail.com

Ken Dobbie

G’day Ron, I am not a starter for your proposed function at Ulverstone, as you know I have not enjoyed good health for some time now and I am now almost at the end of the line, that is to say that I have not yet been told to return my bedding and loan items but the post out card has been prepared. My cancer is at an advanced stage and my mobility etc is very restricted (wheelchair etc). I require blood transfusions every two weeks just to make it through each day and have chemotherapy every three weeks. My wife and other family members are of tremendous support, DVA does a good job.

If Ulverstone goes ahead I wish you well and hope everyone has a good time.

Cheers

Ken D

Jim Carroll

Ron, visited Jim Carroll in Cairns Private Hospital this morning. He’s been in for the week and returning home on this Monday. He’s was in good spirits and looking for a good outcome.

From Bill Waldock – thanks Bill

Tasmania 2021

Please email me to let us know:

  1.   your possible,
  2. will not attend or
  3. intend to be there status.

Potential starters vide email to date. 

Rick and Lea Avery, Bongo and Jo DiBetta, Dave and Louie Borgo, Mal and Rob Chatfield, Ron and Bev Giveen, Fred Howes, Surfie Richards, Dave Scarce, Ian and Val Smith

Subic Bay

 What do you think?

 Get your stepping rig out, New Jollo bar opens next week. Call in and see how your kids have grown up  !!  (Our kids would nowbe in their mid 50’s, that is of course if we were foolish)

US Navy going back to Naval base in the Philippines? | The Big Return to Subic Bay! – YouTube

Ben Roberts-Smith

 Ben Roberts-Smith – A belated update for you – Will Justice prevail?

The following is an update sent by Susan Roberts-Smith.

We are travelling again, on a long, bumpy, winding road of deliberate lies, reckless speculation and ingrained hostility. 

The good news is that no matter how difficult this is Ben will not give up his determination to clear his name. 

Just a few twists and turns involving this case:

  • Media, and their irresponsible sensationalist journalist namely Nick McKenzieChris Masters and Dan Oakes.
  • ADF with its systemic problems in command and being very silent about the 500 soldiers who have returned from Afghanistan (since 2017) and committed suicide; 
  • The IGADF Afghanistan Inquiry had a starting point to look into the “vague rumours of Special Forces soldiers”.  
  • The IGADF advertised in the Persian Herald Newspaper in Afghanistan on 8 March 2018  “Calling for information about rumours of possible breaches of the Laws of Armed Conflict in Afghanistan”.   There are obvious problems gathering evidence in Afghanistan starting with translation difficulties, in many cases, it may be rude not to answer so the locals give you something that’s not truthful, the unreliability of local witnesses and establishing their identity, particularly with the passage of time and coercion from Australian Media and hostile forces, in this case, the Taliban who would distort evidence to harm the soldiers who were sent by Australia to kill them.
  • Dishonest politicians
  • A current RSL President passing on disgusting false information about Ben and Len to members of the Defence Force  
  • Attorney-General Christian Porter has moved to shroud parts of a defamation trial involving Victoria Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith in secrecy in the name of national security.
  • COVID-19 More delays
  • The headline “Former soldier and top Sydney barrister David McLure SC will lead a prosecution against decorated veteran Ben RobertsSmith for alleged war crimes”.  Without police charges that is impossible but something underhand was at foot.  David McLure is a friend of Chris Masters, who has written glowing reports of McLure assisting him with his books. 

It is all very disturbing but looking on the bright side It is going to make a fantastic Oscar-winning movie!

This the latest news from “The Australian”, regarding the Court Hearing today.  This journalist is slowly getting the real picture. 

The AUSTRALIAN
Tuesday, June 2, 2020 

SAS hero accused in Afghan war ‘murders’

PAUL MALEY
NATIONAL SECURITY EDITOR

SAS Victoria Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith is suing Nine Network newspapers over war crime accusations.

Australia’s most decorated living soldier, Ben Roberts-Smith, has been accused of ordering the murders of two Afghan prisoners as part of a fresh string of war crime allegations levelled at the Victoria Cross recipient. 

But in a dramatic day of evidence in the Federal Court, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, both of which are being sued by Mr Roberts-Smith for defamation, were accused of “major errors” in their reporting of Mr Roberts-Smith’s alleged crimes.

Lawyers for the newspapers, owned by Nine Entertainment, changedeither he himself or a colleague fired the fatal shot.

Nine also told the court it would argue that Mr Roberts-Smith had ordered the execution of two prisoners during missions to the Afghan villages of Sola and Syahchow in 2012. Nine now claims Mr Roberts-Smith was involved in seven unlawful killings.

Sandy Dawson SC, Nine’s barrister, said that during a mission to the village of Sola in August 2012, Mr Roberts-Smith and his patrol detained an Afghan male. “A soldier in the applicant’s patrol and under his command asked for a ‘throwdown’ — that, of course, is a reference to a device such as an ICOM radio or a weapon to be able to … make the death of a civilian look like the death of an insurgent,’’ Mr Dawson said.

“The applicant directed Person 4 to shoot and kill that male, which he did. The applicant then deployed the throwdown so that it looked like …a legitimate kill.’’

During a second alleged incident, in the village of Syahchow in October 2012, Mr Roberts-Smith is alleged to have “blooded’’ a new member of his SAS patrol by ordering him to take two Afghan prisoners from a holding area into a nearby field.

“It’s alleged that (Mr Roberts-Smith) stood behind Person 66 and ordered him to shoot one of the Afghan males … and that Person 66 did so.’’

The new claims follow a series of stories by Nine Entertainment that Mr Roberts-Smith said portrayed him as a war criminal, a bully and an abuser of women.

At the centre of the litigation is the claim in 2018 that Mr Roberts-Smith kicked a bound Ali Jan off a cliff during a mission to the village of Darwan on September 11, 2012.

The newspapers originally claimed that Mr Roberts-Smith ordered two Afghan partner force members under his command, Person 13 and Person 12, to shoot Ali Jan after he had been kicked off the cliff. Mr Roberts-Smith, who denies any wrongdoing, has long maintained that neither man was actually there.

He has said that, while Person 13 was in the village on the day of the mission, he had been assigned to another patrol and was nowhere near Mr Roberts-Smith.

Mr Roberts Smith says Person 12, the man Nine originally claimed pulled the trigger, was not even in the village at the time.

Nine on Tuesday applied to amend its defence and drop any reference to either Person 12 or Person 13. Instead, Mr Dawson said Nine would allege that Ali Jan was shot either by Mr Roberts-Smith or by a second SAS operator, known as Person 11.

“It is true that the details of the particulars have changed but the allegation at its core has not,’’ Mr Dawson said.

Nine said it could produce four Afghan witnesses from Darwan who it said had seen aspects of the ¬alleged incident. Counsel for Mr Roberts-Smith, Bruce McClintock SC,

He said the new allegations were nothing more than an ¬attempt by the newspapers to compensate for what he said were serious deficiencies in their original accounts of the incident. “We simply do not know the case that they’re now making,’’ Mr McClintock said, referring to Nine’s proposed changes.

Mr McClintock said Mr Roberts-Smith had lived with the spectre of what he maintained were false allegations for two years, a fact that had taken a considerable toll.

“Yes, he’s won a Victoria Cross. Yes, he’s a soldier. Yes, he saw a considerable amount of action. Yes, there can be no question about his courage,’’ Mr McClintock said. “But he’s still a human being, your honour, and to confront allegations like this put forward by a large and powerful media organisation in circumstances where it turns out that what they actually said in the articles is insupportable — and now they want to change position.’’

Mr McClintock also accused Nine of a second error relating to the date of an alleged incident in which Mr Roberts-Smith is ¬accused of taking a number of Afghans off a Hilux and then boasting about having shot one. Originally, the newspapers said the incident had occurred on or about October 21, 2012.

In response, Mr Roberts-Smith said he was on another mission at the time, for which he received an official commendation. The newspapers on Tuesday applied to have the date of the incident moved to November 5.

Mr McClintock said this fact was known to one of the authors of the article, Chris Masters, who referred to the operation in which Mr Roberts-Smith received the commendation in his book about the Afghan conflict. “Where is Mr Masters to explain how, in his defence, an allegation that he must have known was false, appears?’’ Mr McClintock said.

The new allegations about Sola and Syahchow had only emerged because the newspapers had been forced to concede “major errors” in their earlier accounts, he said.

Justice Anthony Besanko will rule on the amended defence at a later date.